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Time just wasn't fair to Jericho.
Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2013 5:24 am
by Fireboyd78
DRIV3R:
DRIV3R to DSF:
Looks like time...just wasn't fair to Jericho.
Re: Time just wasn't fair to Jericho.
Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2013 6:23 am
by Coyote
You forgot his plastic surgery from Driver 2 to Driver 3, I mean, wasn't he from Asia originally?

Re: Time just wasn't fair to Jericho.
Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2013 6:27 am
by Fireboyd78
I didn't forget anything. This is to show that Jericho is indeed the DRIV3R Jericho, and that prison changed him into a monster, LOL. I always figured since Tanner & Jones were drastically changed, so was Jericho. But I had an idea - what if I compare them side by side? Then, I got the genius idea to transform DRIV3R Jericho into DSF Jericho, it worked perfectly!
Re: Time just wasn't fair to Jericho.
Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2013 6:33 am
by Skylabh
Lol, awesome work.
Re: Time just wasn't fair to Jericho.
Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2013 7:45 am
by max.thunder
Coyote wrote:You forgot his plastic surgery from Driver 2 to Driver 3, I mean, wasn't he from Asia originally? 

A very interesting topic.
He looks older in Driv3r and has less cheeks, probably he bleached his hair in Driver 2. In Driver 2 he also had a wider nose (like an afro american) and he was more dark-skinned. He also maybe made
skin whitening and surgery in his nose, obviously he also changed his haircut. All of this to remain unknown to the police.
An example of skin whitening:
Here you can see that "Jericho is the son of first-generation inmigrants from North Africa, possibly Morocco, though no one is entirely sure".
CarLuver69 wrote:I didn't forget anything. This is to show that Jericho is indeed the DRIV3R Jericho, and that prison changed him into a monster, LOL. I always figured since Tanner & Jones were drastically changed, so was Jericho. But I had an idea - what if I compare them side by side? Then, I got the genius idea to transform DRIV3R Jericho into DSF Jericho, it worked perfectly!
But how the hell he changed so drastically in only 6 months? Drug abuse?
Re: Time just wasn't fair to Jericho.
Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2013 8:31 am
by puredorian
Great job, now to tanner version and how he changed from 45year old face, to 25-30 year old.
Re: Time just wasn't fair to Jericho.
Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2013 11:04 am
by Fireboyd78
I don't see Tanner's transformation happening any time soon, haha. Tanner, along with Jones, were changed pretty much entirely from their characters in DRIV3R. It seems like Jericho is the only one who actually aged properly.
Re: Time just wasn't fair to Jericho.
Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2013 11:50 am
by Coyote
Re: Time just wasn't fair to Jericho.
Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2013 2:34 pm
by Fireboyd78
Alright, Jones is definitely plausible. I guess Tanner is the only one who drastically changed...he looks way different. There's concept sketches of him looking Asian, I've seen one where Tanner resembles Brad Pitt...get it right Reflections!
Re: Time just wasn't fair to Jericho.
Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2013 8:59 pm
by puredorian
Well, there's been 6 months between driver 3 and sf right? So in 6 months Jericho aged like passed 5 years? Really? Even if he was drug abusive, in 6 months he cant age like that, maybe 2-3 years, but not 6 months.
What I liked in Driver 2 and Driver 3 is Tanner at cutscenes, between 2 games you can see Tanner and his face is almost identical, but you see that he changed in terms of personality and things like that, and by that you can see that some time passed. But in Driver SF you see different tanner, he's nothing like old games, like a spin off. Like Dante from DMC 4 and Dante from last DMC. I dont really appreciate that to be honest.
Re: Time just wasn't fair to Jericho.
Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2013 10:22 pm
by Coyote
I never understood when they said that Driver: SF plays 6 months after the events of Driver 3. It just doesn't make any sense. Driver: SF plays in 2011 whereas Driver 3 plays in 2003 − 2004. There were so many things hinting it. But who knows, maybe it was a mistake in their press text? 6 months instead of 6 years. At the time it was 2010, and 2004 − 2010 would be 6 years.
I believe that Tanner changed so often because they looked at him as if he was a Legend, not an actual person. In the legend, he always changes his look. It's not his look that is important, but the fact he's a legend. It's a bit like James Bond. Just take a look at the list of actors who played him, he changed all the time. But that didn't matter, because they were playing a character called James Bond, even if they weren't James Bond themselves. So maybe we need to look at the characters that play Tanner just as actors who play this character, called Tanner. I mean, James Bond would be somewhere around 105 now, wouldn't he? And Tanner would be somewhere over 60 (if let's say in the 70s, Driver 1, he was 30, so he was born in the 40s). Now the question is, do we really want to play a grandpa?

Re: Time just wasn't fair to Jericho.
Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2013 11:38 pm
by Steerclear
Definitely taking place 6 months after Driv3r. Martin Edmondson said it multiple times. Plus they changed Tanner and Jericho so much, probably just because it was re-boot of the franchise.
Re: Time just wasn't fair to Jericho.
Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2013 2:24 am
by puredorian
Also 6 months is really cheap excuse, since in driver 3 there's cars from 70s-80s, that didnt match with driver sf 2000 era cars
But what real matters is that fact that both Edmondson brothers left Reflections, now I wonder what's the future of driver franchise.
Re: Time just wasn't fair to Jericho.
Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2013 3:50 am
by max.thunder
Steerclear wrote:Definitely taking place 6 months after Driv3r. Martin Edmondson said it multiple times. Plus they changed Tanner and Jericho so much, probably just because it was re-boot of the franchise.
Agree with this. They probably wanted us to forgot the Driv3r disaster. As Coyote said it's is strange that game takes place after six months since you can see in Driver SF cars made after 2004. Maybe they used them for marketing reasons. However after the end of Driver SF i would like to end the story behind the stolen cars in Driv3r.
puredorian wrote:But what real matters is that fact that both Edmondson brothers left Reflections, now I wonder what's the future of driver franchise.
Me too.
puredorian wrote:Well, there's been 6 months between driver 3 and sf right? So in 6 months Jericho aged like passed 5 years? Really? Even if he was drug abusive, in 6 months he cant age like that, maybe 2-3 years, but not 6 months.
What I liked in Driver 2 and Driver 3 is Tanner at cutscenes, between 2 games you can see Tanner and his face is almost identical, but you see that he changed in terms of personality and things like that, and by that you can see that some time passed. But in Driver SF you see different tanner, he's nothing like old games, like a spin off. Like Dante from DMC 4 and Dante from last DMC. I dont really appreciate that to be honest.
Totally agree with that.
Re: Time just wasn't fair to Jericho.
Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2013 6:04 am
by Coyote
There's not going to be any Driver story in Russia, forget that

The end to Driver 3 has already happened, it's called Driver: SF. Like you say, they wanted us to forget about it. But this was still the end of Driver 3. It plays 6 months after the Driver 3 events, Jericho has escaped to San Francisco and Tanner & Jones have followed him there. (that's what they're saying)
Tanner managed to take Jericho down and now this chapter is closed
Next Driver will most likely be about Rufus, since we don't know what happened with him. The story of DSF was left open, now we want to know who that guy is, what he has done, and what he's going to do
And yes, both brothers have left the series, but I highly doubt it will affect it in any way. They have transmitted the message to the whole Reflections crew already, it's not like only Gareth and Martin know about 70s car chases and things like this. After almost 20 years, since Destruction Derby, I'm pretty sure Reflections knows what car crashing and car chases are all about

Hell I even remember Martin being asked about the various people who played / voice acted Tanner in the different Driver games, and he said he didn't remember who played him in DPL. Haha! There's no Tanner in DPL, I know he wasn't involved in that project, but I'm wondering if he has played the game at all

Let's be honest. They helped with Driver: SF, and it became a fantastic game. Without them it wouldn't have been possible. But people got it now and they will continue to create the Driver series exactly like Martin and Gareth would have wished it.

Re: Time just wasn't fair to Jericho.
Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2013 10:00 am
by max.thunder
Coyote wrote:Jericho has escaped to San Francisco
At least they could have made a cutscene about that
After the shootings in Istanbul, Jericho was revived from his gunshot wounds. After recovery, he eluded the security and escaped the Istanbul hospital, fleeing from Turkey and escaping back to the U.S. After 6 months of searching him, Tanner and Jones managed to find him and arrest him. He is currently in San Francisco, awaiting trial.
Re: Time just wasn't fair to Jericho.
Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2013 12:51 pm
by Fireboyd78
Coyote wrote:After almost 20 years, since Destruction Derby, I'm pretty sure Reflections knows what car crashing and car chases are all about 
Except you forgot to mention that only about 5 - 10% of the original crew still exists. Most of them have left and moved on to different things in life.
Re: Time just wasn't fair to Jericho.
Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2013 11:26 pm
by Coyote
This is why I said "Reflections" and not "the people who work(ed) at Reflections"

And this is also why I said that Gareth and Martin have successfully transmitted the message to them, and that I believe that anyone who works there knows what it's about. One person transmits the message to the other

Re: Time just wasn't fair to Jericho.
Posted: Sun Feb 10, 2013 3:18 pm
by Nikusakken
There has never been a specified time period in the games before San Francisco. The only conclusion that we take from D3 taking place in 2003 are the product placements and some of the guns. Maybe it is supposed to take place at that time, but San Francisco retconned that. And Tanner in Renegade looks older than in SF.

Re: Time just wasn't fair to Jericho.
Posted: Sun Feb 10, 2013 8:10 pm
by Coyote
It's not just the Nokia and the guns. Like I said it's also other stuff, most of the interiors actually. Look at the flatscreen computers, the flatscreen TVs (which wasn't even as common back then as it was today), the wireless phones (I don't mean the mobile phones), the chips used to track someone, and stuff like having cameras inside truck trailers or supermarkets. It played in the present.

Re: Time just wasn't fair to Jericho.
Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2013 1:01 pm
by Fireboyd78
Martin Edmondson has stated in interviews before that none of the Driver games took place in a certain time period, they took place in contemporary times. Meaning, Driver 1 took place in 1999, Driver 2 was set in 2000, DRIV3R was 2003, and so on and so forth. Since it's the Driver universe, the cars seen in most of the games don't represent the time period, but more of a "this is what people drive in Driver's 1999" kind of thing.
But I still believe Driver 1 was 1979, Driver 2 was the early 1980s, DRIV3R was 2003, and DSF is (obviously) 2010.