Page 1 of 1

Mandatory AUSTRALIAN ISP FILTER!

Posted: Sun Oct 19, 2008 8:08 pm
by bb_42001
Back in January this year, I brought up Australian governments proposed plan to implement a internet filter to all Australian ISPs. The original plan was that Australians would have the option to turn off this filter, although I would imagine most families wouldn't do so if they had young children. Meaning it would block whatever our government deems innappropriate, be it pornography or even sites like Newgrounds (just an example).

Well the news is out today and it seems that the option to opt out of this filter isn't going to happen. It's going to be hands down mandatory. It will prevent ANYTHING deemed illegal or harmful by our government unaccessible. So we're looking at something along the lines of Chinas internet censorship.

This plan does raise many serious concerns though. This could hinder free speech on the internet, as well as raise some SERIOUS security issues. Apparently, the only way they'll be able to filter secure https content is to intercept the data stream with a man-in-the-middle system. Do you feel comfortable knowing that someone could be looking at your bank details? It's just a matter of time before someone on the inside uses this position to carrying out a multi-million-dollar theft, or even just large-scale identity theft. Would such a system be truly secure enough?

It doesn't stop there. As most Australian users here know.. By international standards Australias internet is already rather poor. My understanding is that we rank under even Romania in internet quality. So as you can imagine, we've got it somewhat slow compare to the rest of the world. Now the problem with this filter is, it brings in the technical issue of "overblocking". I haven't read much on the issue, but apparently it will lead to even slower load times due to the censorship filter.

The added costs of implementing this system will of course in turn be passed down to the consumer, with the probability of ISPs raising their price tags in order to implment the filter. Of course it could be paid by the government, but that would in turn be a waste of tax payers money (which pretty much sums up the whole idea).

It scares me to think that there's someone out there who'd be the nay sayer on what the Australian public are allowed to see online. Such a dictatorship shouldn't be even considered within our country and I'm truly disgusted by this proposal.

So in short, I don't believe such a system has any place in our country.

Read more about it here:
http://www.somebodythinkofthechildren.c ... -from-one/
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=7 ... 7968823265

What are your thoughts?

Image

Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 1:50 am
by Nikusakken
Wow, and I thought that the Brazilian government sucks, specially when they blocked YouTube for one day.

Anyways, this seems to be a really stupid idea. Your government aready block games with a higher rating than 15 years, now they are going to block the internet? Wow, They want to follow China. Now, I'm already imagining that Google will have to create a Google Australia, just like Google China.
But what they really want with it? Control people's life just to be recognized in the whole world?

Now, I really don't want to go to Australia anymore...

Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 10:42 pm
by madness
Nick Brasil wrote:But what they really want with it?
They want everyone to leave Australia, so Kevin Rudd and the rest of the government get Australia to themselves. :lol:
Nick Brasil wrote:Now, I really don't want to go to Australia anymore...
As I said above, they want australia and no one else is getting a piece of it :cry:

Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 10:56 pm
by bb_42001
all move to the UK

Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 11:19 pm
by Coyote
Nick Brasil wrote: Now, I really don't want to go to Australia anymore...
Because of what ? The internet connections there ? :lol:

Seriously, that must be really annoying.

Posted: Tue Oct 21, 2008 11:46 am
by Nikusakken
You Aussies have a really great government... :?
bb_42001 wrote:all move to the UK
Yes, let's live in Newcastle! Let's all live in the same street that Gareth lives! :D

Posted: Tue Oct 21, 2008 4:18 pm
by bb_42001
Now any one know where he lives?

Posted: Tue Oct 21, 2008 11:10 pm
by madness
bb_42001 wrote:Now any one know where he lives?
If he owns a white car, yes I know where he lives.
Last year I did tones of research on him and found so much!

If I got it wrong we just have to tail him, from when he leaves Ubisoft Reflections. We have to watch our proximity.

*checks proximity meter, the one in driv3r istanbul, first mission! :D

Posted: Wed Oct 22, 2008 2:06 am
by Coyote
madness wrote:
bb_42001 wrote:Now any one know where he lives?
If he owns a white car, yes I know where he lives.
Last year I did tones of research on him and found so much!

If I got it wrong we just have to tail him, from when he leaves Ubisoft Reflections. We have to watch our proximity.

*checks proximity meter, the one in driv3r istanbul, first mission! :D
I know that Martin Edmondson has a red Alfa Romeo 147. I think it's not even the GTA model.

Posted: Wed Oct 22, 2008 4:20 am
by Nikusakken
And answearing before someone else ask, the "GTA model" has nothing related to "Grand Theft Auto".

Wow, a 147? That thing is so... small... :roll: (I woudn't fit inside of it :lol: )

Posted: Wed Oct 22, 2008 4:34 am
by Coyote
Yea, "GTA" is a special version of Alfa Romeos, powered by a 250 HP engine.

Posted: Wed Oct 22, 2008 4:38 am
by Nikusakken
Yes, I know it.

But I still woudn't fit inside of that thing.

Posted: Wed Oct 22, 2008 6:45 am
by Coyote
Nick Brasil wrote:Yes, I know it.

But I still woudn't fit inside of that thing.
lol why ? It's not that small, come on !

Posted: Wed Oct 22, 2008 12:42 pm
by Nikusakken
Lol, maybe, but I don't know. It seems so... small for me. Probably because of my height.

Posted: Wed Oct 22, 2008 3:32 pm
by bb_42001
then i have no chance in hell :)

Posted: Wed Oct 22, 2008 5:59 pm
by Harlequin
I'm not very tall, so I do!
But with the ISP filter, there will be two settings, one for child use and another for adult use.
And, if you had ever read the Australian Constitution, you will notice that freedom of speech isn't in there. Unlike the American Constitution where it states that specific things cannot be impeached upon, the Australian Constitution does not. There is an assumption of the freedom of speech though, but once again, it's only informal.

Posted: Wed Oct 22, 2008 6:21 pm
by bb_42001
just incase no one relised, i got that off newgrounds!

Posted: Wed Oct 22, 2008 7:50 pm
by Harlequin
Lol bb! I get my info from sunrise (the major morning news show in Aus) and the Australian Constitution (stolen from my year 12 legal studies teacher!) :lol:

Posted: Wed Oct 22, 2008 8:01 pm
by bb_42001
same, but my friend told me it was there, so i looked at it :P

Posted: Wed Oct 22, 2008 9:15 pm
by Harlequin
I got mine through school last year...We had to know apparently...Never came up in the exam though...lol

Posted: Wed Oct 22, 2008 9:22 pm
by bb_42001
my friends not very happy about it :( also harlequin you have a pm

Posted: Wed Oct 22, 2008 9:47 pm
by Harlequin
...Still don't know how to get there...Lol!
Would that be Kip? He did his English essay on it :lol:

Posted: Wed Oct 22, 2008 9:58 pm
by bb_42001
you should of got an email with a link on how to get there, and also make sure your web browser allows pop up from this site.... and this is what the pm said:
have you read the stupid things you've done topic completly, if you have had you made and connections?
and yes it was KIP

Posted: Wed Oct 22, 2008 10:00 pm
by Harlequin
Yes I have read it. I'd have to be stupid, and blind to not know what it was about. Duh.
And I got the email. My internet is being mean tonight though.
I knew it was him.

Posted: Wed Oct 22, 2008 10:01 pm
by bb_42001
do you think there might be a possibility to patch things up?

Posted: Fri Oct 24, 2008 3:48 pm
by madness
This probably deserves it's own topic?
But it doesn't because it's just stupid, stupider than the AU ISP Filter.
Probably 100 times more stupid and no one will want to use the internet again.

A group of people might create their own internet, it's annoying having to pay for domains but this?

[quote]Patent breach by

Posted: Sat Oct 25, 2008 11:39 am
by Nikusakken
After reading that, I'll stay sit in my chair and try to realize if there's more stupid things than that.

Posted: Sat Oct 25, 2008 12:56 pm
by bb_42001
That is just stupid

Posted: Sat Oct 25, 2008 6:40 pm
by Harlequin
It is quite stupid...But companies have done it before. Like the attempts to prevent people from recording tv shows onto videos and music onto cassetes...it's pretty much bull, but within their rights, so long as the supreme court says so...